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For clarity, here is the motion, as voted down yesterday by the conservative group, which specifically moves to reject the changes to the constitution of the council as proposed by the conservative group:
ITEM 6(j)
Moved by Mark Kirk
Seconded by Len Foster
This council rejects any move to make North Lincolnshire Council less ‘open and transparent’. In doing so, council rejects any move to:
· Remove the Forward Plan from debate at full council
· Stop questions being asked relating to North Lincolnshire Homes or their tenants
· Ban questions which hold individual members of the council to account
· Ban notices of motion from anyone not a member of the two main political parties
Instead council adopts the same constitution as agreed for the 2010/11 council year. Furthermore, in keeping up with the digital age this council recognises that both members and members of the public should be able to use social networking sites such as Twitter
The agenda item was:
It’s all true!!!!!!!
I have just had it confirmed by the council that this change to
the constitution is final. It can only be reversed according to them with a
majority vote at the next council meeting which if memory serves me correct is
the end of June.
ill paint a picture:
a Labour councilor removes himself from the party and declares himself an
independent or moves to say the lib dem party. A resident of his ward/residents
of his ward comes to him with an issue or motion he/she/they would like their
representative to put to the council. The Councilor then goes to the Council to
give notice of said motion for the next council meeting, and according to the
newly amended constitution must be told NO! You can’t give notice to move a
motion because you a not a member of the Labour party or conservative party.
However unlikely this scenario is it is not outside the realms of possibility
because we have seen Tory councilors go independent before, so we should all be
asking the question.
Why change It?
This rule change does not affect the council right now, right this second, but
it will the second we have a councilor that is not affiliated with either of
the two main parties. This section of the constitution has been changed in such
a way that leaves it open to Major abuse.
The conservative party rules the council because they have a majority that can
vote for what it wants. That’s the way democracy works; the majority rules. If
that majority starts enacting changes that stifles the minority and only
strengthens the main political parties and appears to make smaller independent
candidates powerless then we all need to start asking why.
I argued this point with the council. I pointed out the flaw in changing this
rule and they did accept my point. Their response to my point was that the rule
would be changed back if a 3rd party entered the political landscape. I argued
back to that 'if it can simply be changed back, why change it to what it is
in the first place'
The council's only argument for changing it was that it didn’t affect anyone because
of the current way our council is split right now. That’s it. That was their
argument for changing it.
This to me is not a reason to change the constitution. Just because the two
main parties are the only parties in power doesn’t mean you change the
constitution to reflect that.
The Tory party has made a huge mistake making this change. They have either
made a mistake and didn’t realize the full ramification of what they have done
meaning they are incompetent, or they did this with malice so they could ensure
that only the two main parties are the ones in control of what gets put to the
councils.
This is not about transparency, this is about removing power from anyone who is
not part of the LAB/CON party system, and they are banking on us to be ignorant
of what they have done so they can get away with it.
The Labour Party may have brought this to our attention but I don’t see or hear
them doing much about it and they could quite easily test this new rule by
temporarily leaving Labour and becoming independents. I don’t see them doing
this because they are just as power hungry as the Tories.
This change tells me one thing:
The party politicians we have as our councilors are more concerned with holding
onto power for their respective parties than just getting on with the job of
running the county council.
If they wanted to stop their party members from leaving and becoming
independents then why not change the rules so that if a councilor changes
parties midterm that the seat must contested again in a by election? Wouldn’t
that be right for the people?
If a ward voted in a Tory, is it right that the councilor stops being what the
electorate voted for? If you voted for a party and not the candidate which
1000's of people do, would you be happy that that person then ran your seat in
line with a party whose ideology you never voted for and don’t believe in.
I went off the subject a bit there but isn’t that a constitutional change that
people would want as opposed to what we have just received.
I urge all people that agree this changed needs to be reverted back to what it
was. Get in touch with your local Tory councilor and argue that what they have
done is wrong and to vote for its retraction at the earliest possible time
before our democracy is damaged further.
To all those of you who don’t really care about this change and the people
who are not concerned about these changes in our constitution. That’s fine. It’s
your right to not be bothered or concerned and I respect that, but you have to
respect the fact that there are people like me who neither agree or consent to
such an nonchalant attack on democracy like this and I ask that you respect
our right to oppose this flagrant breach of trust in the custody of our once
fair and just constitution by the ruling Tory party.
Thanks for the background and verification Neil.
I am very concerned about the reduction in public meetings.
Where there have been 6 meetings which the public can attend, there are now 2.
This is not just an attack on democracy, its also a public gag.
Well said Neil.
I really wonder why the change is necessary. What is the justification? I'd really like to hear more about the reason for actually making this change. I'd like to think that the full ramifications of the change weren't thought out but the cynical side of me wonders. Perhaps the next meeting of the council will see this decision reversed and in the interests of "openness" and explanation being provided as to why the constitution has been changed.
Democracy is not a perfect system; I'm sure many people would accept that. But to put through a change that deliberately creates a two tier system whereby Labour and Tory councillors are given more rights than Lib Dem, Green Party or Independent councillors smacks a little of a Big Brother mentality. How is it a fair system where these smaller parties are allowed into Council meetings but are effectively unable to talk, table motions, ask questions etc. I suppose it ensures that NO ONE from another political party will ever have a say in North Lincolnshire again. Long live the Labour and Tory monopoly!!!!
I look forward to hearing more...
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Wow . It's been quite a few weeks in local politics. Whoever said that local government was dull? I've never seen so many blogs, tweets, articles and press releases flying round.
Some of the changes reported in this article are extremely worrying. The fact that it has been suggested here that independent (and other Lib Dem, Green Party etc) councillors won't have the same rights and responsibilities as the main party politicians is probably the most worrying. It does nothing more than set in stone the current monopoly that red and blue enjoy in North Lincs. What chance for the area if there is no chance of electing new councillors with new ideas and real power in the future.
However before I (and others) have a knee jerk reaction to these changes I would really like to see the notes of the meeting. What is the actual wording of the constitution now? Thoades: I note that this is article is written "according to information released this afternoon by the Labour group". Do we know the actual dialogue (if any) that took place in the chamber? Or are the public as usual stuck in between the warring factions and in a position where they don't know what to really believe.
I'd love to hear comments from other people who were at the meeting...because if this changes are enacted what chance of ever changing them back?
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